Hello everyone, I'm very excited to tell you about a project Jeff Cameron and I have been working on recently. It's still a work in progress and we would like all of your input in the final stages.
Basically there are different statuses that each member can progress through, and they can only have one at a time. The idea is that everyone starts off as Newbies, then progress up levels as certain skills are demonstrated (by video upload, showing the group at a get together, etc). Skills could be different types of firecraft, shelter building, knife skills, etc.
There are 3 levels to climb, which have temporarily been named level 1, 2, and 3. (So original!). There is also a Administrator status.
Questions to the group:
1) What should the syllabus of skills be at each level?
2) How should members submit the "evidence"?
2) What are good names for these three levels? Something bushcraft/outdoors/nz related.
Here is how you can see the member categories under the Members tab:
You are missing the point. But I have had my say and will stop following this thread...
Regards to all
Excellent stuff! There is one extremely obvious point I am getting from this. Each and everyone who has made a comment is passionate about Bushcraft. Thanks for providing the opportunity for this discussion Ryan!
How about, no teaching.
People can share knowledge (like we have for thousands of years - but with the help of the internet).
Then based on the amount of assistance that knowledge is to other users (everyone votes or gives a point if the knowledge is useful).
Then as people get more votes, they get a title to show that in that particular subject they know their shizzle...
If someone doesn't want to "share knowledge" then they don't have to and obviously won't be interested in what title they have - but will still have the benefit of the knowledge that others share.
The comments about Legal Liability are great - the key to NZ law is "Case Law" in which previous cases are used as arguments or "Legal Precedent" and the cases that I know of (excluding educational facilities) are all positive for those that want to set up a "Club" and "Share Knowledge".
If Bushcraft.org.nz is responsible and clearly advocates for the testing of skills in a safe environment - with safety equipment at hand, I'm sure we'll be fine ("we" because we are all members of this club and "we" can not reasonably expect someone else to do all the hard work).
The "Duty of Care" can only go so far when we are a web based club. But there are steps that Bushcraft.org.nz can take, with the assistance of it's members, to ensure that safety is paramount. May be some club rules would be helpful? Talk to people in a 4WD club for example, they will show you their rules. regardless of "teaching" or not, some basic precautions would not go astray if we are trying to protect ourselves from litigation.
I agree with Scott's idea of having the skills program as a Group, it lines up with what I originally proposed.
Ryan, can the icons be added just to the Skills group members?
Copied from Bushcraft USA:
**READ THIS BEFORE STARTING**
The skills are a little more difficult. There will be more people teaching lessons. I also have 13 more elective lesson that will be posted. All classes must be completed before the outings are done, except those noted above. Those 2 lessons can be completed on your overnights. Remember, you can start at any time and do the lessons you want. If you want the certification and the tab you have to complete the requirements listed above. Any questions please ask.
The Lessons ans Student practice threads that have been posted can be found here;
It is up to you to keep track of what you have completed. Once you have completed all of the tasks, PM me a list of the post # in the student practice threads where you completed the tasks.
Note: Bushcraft USA and its affiliates are not liable for any of the information presented by the instructors in this class. Some of these activities are inherently dangerous so please exercise caution and consult with a physician as well as a trained professional before attempting these activities. This class is not intended to provide you with any official certifications and does not substitute for professional hands on training.
Feather Sticks and Shavings
Objective- To be able to make feather sticks and shavings.
Description- Like I said for the first class we are going to start slow. Slow does not mean unimportant. The ability to make good feather sticks and shavings is a needed skill. It shows you can control you knife and make it do what you want it to do. A pile of properly made fire prep can be the difference between being warm and dry or cold and wet. We want our shavings to be thin and curly. The thinness will make them take a flame easier. The curls allow for air flow. Not only is the shape of our feather sticks vital, but the quantity is also. A pile big enough to fill a baseball hat is the standard. With this amount of tinder you can overcome damp kindling.
Materials needed- Fixed blade knife, a straight knot free piece of wood about the size of a broomstick
Student Practice- A baseball fat full of good feather sticks and shavings
Pictured below from left to right. A proper feather stick, a marginal feather stick, and very poor shavings.
If having our own version of this is a problem then maybe we have a link to BSUSA and complete their program on their website.
I just thought it would be good to have own on and ustilise this great site to it's fullest.
yeah I have PM IA Woodsman for contact details to the head admin to get permission to use bits of theirs for a starting point
Nice points Barnsey.
I think there has been some agreement on the topic of changing "level" descriptions - then some of us got a little side tracked.
Thanks to John Swarbirck, Jeff Cameron and yourself for getting us back on track.
There may need to be extra effort in clarification that the different "labels" used do not represent a persons skill level, but does represent that they have participated in some of the assignments and how far they have gone.
Do you have an alternative to having three levels?
Its great to have so many people giving different viewpoints and opinions. Perhaps for the time being the 3 levels will just be linked to members self appointed experience level, which comes from the profile question that can be changed at any time. I will work on a separate badge system for a separate group who want to opt into it.
I will also work on changing the logos and names of the levels to someting more nz bushcraft related!
That all sounds good, ones membership of the forum is independent form the voluntary training scheme.
I thought this teaching resource may be of use. I have found it a great way to provide valuablel practice and a means of demonstrating knife skill. Some of you will have seen it because the great bushcraft instructor Mors Kochanski uses iinvented and uses it.
It was originally published in the english bushcraft magazine,i have sourced copies from the net.